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Daiwa Tournament ST line, Suffix Elite & Duo Core ?

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:27 pm
by sparkyman
Hi All,

Just wondering if anybody uses this line or has any experiences with it ?

I've used the standard Tournament before & found it very smooth and supple, will little memory or coil retention - this ST is pitched as their "ultimate" offering, by I don't see it around much..........apart from in a few Carp Specialists ??? (Maybe because it's Green in colour ?)

Any comments gratefully received - Many thanks

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:59 pm
by sparkyman
...just picked up some Sufix Elite & Duo Core, the latter obviously aimed at Carp anglers (Camoflage green & black), but 20lb line @ 0.35mm, extremely supple & smooth...not sure if it will suit multiplier beach work, but it certainly seems to be high quality.

Similarly, the Elite, also 20lb line, but only 0.33mm - this stuff is even suppler & slicker feeling - very much like Amnesia, possibly softer.

Anybody with any experience of these lines ?

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:38 am
by redmouse
suffix changed the way they rate line a while back, some of their lines will be .35 and 15lb and the exact same line could be .35 and 18lb. the only difference is the sticker on the spool. its something to do with the difference in european/us line strenght testing.
when im getting line i always buy it by diametre and not breaking strain.

i recently got some of the suffix elite in .25 for flattie bashing and tbh, i dont find it great. should have gotten some of the lighter line in the tritanium.

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:46 pm
by sparkyman
...interesting information. I always thought the "test" rating of the line was that at which it actually snapped ? It would be great to know the EU "standard" that they now use to quantify their products...I'll see if I can find any more details.

With respect to the Elite, can you advise what you didn't like about it ?


Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:21 pm
by sniggle
No experience of the lines you mentioned but thought you might find this of interest,

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:12 am
by redmouse
sparkyman wrote:
With respect to the Elite, can you advise what you didn't like about it ?

sorry, it wasnt the elite i got, its the suffix xl strong in .25m or 12lb rating(but is actually 10lb :D )
the reason i dont like it is it snaps easily, i know its a lot lighter than my regular .35 line but it seems to snap at the slightest bit of weight on the line.

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:11 pm
by sparkyman
Great link sniggle - amazing to see these results. Also a lot of brands that I'm not familiar with, but Tritanium (favourite of many) faired very well on both tests.

I spooled up with the Elite 20lb 0.33mm and spent a couple of hours on the beach with it Sunday. Tapered Leader Grinner (0.35) snugged up very nicely and held throughout the session with no sign of slippage - the only knot I'm liable to use with this mainline. I'm still working on my casting technique, so no valid basis for any distance improvements ! I'm personally very pleased with it. It's very smooth, doesn't coil up when slack (zero memory) lays down on the spool really nicely (still getting to grips with line laying technique after using level-wind reels for so long - seem to get cramp badly in my left hand - may be the chunky reel seat ?) and I didn't have any frap-ups either. Beach was pure sand, so can't really advise on abrasion resistance, but the line remains smooth & slick feeling after this intial use. I'll keep an eye on it and keep you all posted.

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:23 pm
by sparkyman
Hi - been a few weeks since the last post on this subject, so good point for an update on the Sufix Elite.

I don't have much experience with lots of different lines, in fact I've bought a few different types to try out this year as a sort of experiment to find out which I like best.

Predominantly using Ultima Red Ice on two multipliers and don't have any real problems with it, although it does feel a little wirey, to the extent I can noticeably hear it "crinkling"onto the spool when winding in. The odd minor frap-up at the end of a cast (just a few lose coils that sometimes loop under each other) can be freed without to much trouble, but the Red Ice does seem to bite in, kink and knot easily.

The Elite, I find, a whole lot better. Using this on one multiplier only at the moment - still super smooth & supple and really flows off the spool nicely during the cast and lays down nicely on the retrieve - don't hear the "crinkle" I get with the Red Ice ? Biggest difference I've noticed is that I get far, far less loose coils at the end of the cast. However, as this line is being used on a different reel, it could just be due to setup or the nature of the reel itself. The few loose coils & loops at the end of the cast come apart very quicky & easily, the line doesn't bite in like the red ice and doesn't kink either.

I personally prefer the Elite of the two, it just feels, casts & generally behaves a lot better - although per metre of the same diameter, it's around 3x the price of the Red Ice. Another plus for the Elite is it's 20lb test/0.33mm as opposed to 15lb/0.35mm for the Red Ice, however I'm aware that the respective lb ratings may be referenced to two different standards - still trying to find some hard data on this.

Still got the Suffix Duo Core to try and also a spool of VIZ white 19lb/0.35 which both feel like great mainlines.

On a seperate note - had my first crack off, whilst practising pendulum. The swivel knot (grinner) failed at the thick end of the tapered 15/50lb powerflex leader. I was left with most of the knot coil, seems the line actually parted where it bit around the swivel eye. I hadn't checked the knot previously for wear, but it could have been due to abrasion of the knot itself......been practising a lot recently with this reel, so it could also been down to pure fatigue. Also bought a spool of Daiwa Tournament Tapered leaders, one of which is now in use - seems to be in a class of it's own - superb stuff.