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Braid + Multipliers ?
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:47 pm
Having now fished braid on a Fixed spool for a god 5-6 hours, without a single problem, I'm now considering using braid on my multiplier.
I've been browsing through the forum and found a split on whether this is good or not. I guess like everything there are Pro's & Con's - I wonder if those with specific expereince can comment so I can make an informed decision.
I'm by now means a tournament caster, but I can sling a 6 Oz lead out a fair way. I'm quite happy with setting up my multiplier and (fingers crossed) have yet to have any nests etc
Thanks for your input
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:53 pm
Good luck with putting braid on a multiplier for the beach. The major downside to this is the obvious cost factor, if you was to birds nest that multiplier then the braid will bed into the reel and its goodbye braid ~X( . My opinion is stick to mono for a multi off the beach.
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:35 pm
personal opinion but i wouldn't, i tried it once for about 2 casts from the beach realised how bad it could end up so went back to a fix spool. i only use braid on a boat if im wrecking or fishing for bream. any other time, beach uptiding etc, i just use mono.
Hope this helps
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:02 pm
Braid tends to dig itself in under the proceeding line lay resulting in a jerky cast. The other thing is if you are using a plastic spool wound on tight it can crush the spool although I have yet to see this happen. It is quite common to see braid on a boat multiplier but a definite no no on a casting reel.
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:22 pm
OK.....3 NO's to start with.........interesting to hear of the braid digging in. I was thinking of using a heavier braid (say 40lb) which would have the same diameter as say a 15lb Mono to limit this digging in effect.......not sure now if my thinking is valid ?
....please keep them coming
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:43 pm
I use 80lb Ron Thompson braid and even this is thinner than 15lb line, then you have the problem of an overun which is a nightmare to sort out and once knotted then forget it. Braid does have it uses and give less tide resistance to mono giving you the oppertunity of using lighter weights.
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:28 pm
mmmm..........maybe I might experiment in the futureonce I'm 101% confident with my equipment & technique.
Points taken - appreciate your experiences.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:29 am
i agree with most points that have already been said . but i do use braid on my multipliers when fishing from my local marks and piers that i fish . ill proberly jinx myself now
but i have never had a birds nest in the 18 months ive been using it .i must point out that the 2 or 3 local marks i use it at i dont cast more than 60 to 70 yards and only have 100 yards of braid on the reels . i use 60lb brakeing strain 0.40 diamiter stright though with no shock leader and the same from the piers as i dont realy cast from them . if i fish other marks that requier a further distance then i use a diferent set of reels with mono line on them .hope this is of help to you
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:32 pm
I have had 60lb braid on my 7000 abu since march, only one big birdy when the shock leader knot gave way. I have had 2 crack offs in very rough weather. I've not had any other trouble, normally managing 100-120yds with 4oz or 6oz.
Chinese braid is cheaper but delivery is 3-4 weeks.
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:31 pm
Dont get me wrong there are pro's to having braid on your multiplier. Especially for rough ground or weed. But i wouldnt risk it as the cost to replace is to high for my liking
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:23 am
Thanks for the continued input folks - all good reading. I'm still getting back into the swing of things, trying now to work on my casting technique as I seem to have hit a brick wall as far as distance goes. Spent a few hours on the beach on Sunday - conditions looked ideal, nice surf up and breaking not to far offshore. I tried & tried to get my casts beyond the breakers, into the back of the swell but kept on lobbing into the face of the farthest waves. After a while, I decided to drop the baited rig and spent an hour "tuning" my new reel. Eventually Ended up with all 6 brake blocks off and was just managing to thumb down the excess line each cast.......a couple of very loose nests now & again right at the end of the cast, so I guess it was good I hadn't decided to load this new reel with braid. I think one brake block and maybe a touch less end float on the spool will have it at optimum for my current ability with a 6Oz.....sadly I was dissapointed at the lack of distance.......have to put it down to my technique at the moment, can't blame the reel (Calcutta 400) I should have switched to my other multiplier (6500 Record) so I could compare the two there and then - unfortunately I could see heavy rain on the horizon so packed up and got back to the car, just as the heavens opened for the rest of the day. I know I'm not loading the rod up anywhere near it's capability. I believe it's a good rod, it's as new (used once by previous owner) - a Firefly Ovation 410M 5-7Oz, quite stiff as I could feel the intial loading of the tip at the start of each cast, then it just seem to lock up and felt like I was swinging a broom handle through the air - the flex seems to stop abruptly...........I need technique to get more power into this blank.
Anyway, suffice to say that I'll need to improve & gain confidence before considering a switch to braid. I use it on the plugging outfit and it's been great, not a single problem, but I think I'll have trouble with it on a multiplier at the moment.
Casting DVD & maybe a book is what I need next......I've spotted a Phil Hyde Casting Part 2 and a Dave Docwra Surfacsting 2011 DVD, together with a Paul Kerry book........any other suggestions (apart from coaching !)
Many thanks all
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:36 am
You tube is your friend
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:48 am
I,ve been using braid for all my sea angling , both shore and boat for the last 3 years. Never a problemwith 15lb on Abu Revos with plugs, and Abu Record and Revo Toro with 30lb and 50lb, for shore and boat.
If you are based near Somerset, you would do yourself a big favour by contacting Phil Hyde, as he uses Abu Record multis with Braid for all his shore fishing. If I remember correctly he has recorded a witnessed 165m cast with baited rig with an abu record with levelwind and braid.
You can contact him on another site under the name of Philtherod, on worldseafishing.com
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:59 pm
...I know what you mean - I'm not aware of any tutors around here, maybe I should post in the South West forum ?
I'm generally a very quick learner, once I understand the principles behind things I find it easy to apply the logic and then progress quickly. I was hoping a book or a DVD would give me a good starting point to work with - I was also hoping something would "click" once I started trying a new technique (hope it's not my back !)
I watched a few Dave Docwra 2011 clips + others on you tube last night and think I've got the basics of the OTG, which I believe is the prelude to the pendulum. Think I may take a trip to the beach with just the rod, 2 reels and a few weights to see if I can find some "feel" for this technique.
I'll also post for a tutor to see who steps up
Thanks for your input