Shockleaders

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:27 am

Yeah I know........ most of you young puppies are saying " Oh no, not Again ".......

But I have never used a shockleader in my life and I have never hit anyone with a lead.

But East Coast fishing Club rules stipulate using them in matches
so the questions are.....

1, Are they really necessary......?

2, What is the point of them.......?

3, Wouln't using 30lb line do just as well ?

3, What is the ideal length.......?

4, What is the best way to tie them on.........?

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Limey, you are definately throwing out the bait here! happy

Get ready to duck! :lol:

On a serious note its worth pointing out that I was advised by a solicitor once that not to use one leaves yourself wide open for a neglegence claim, should you have an accident involving a lead. Basically, leaders are accepted as required practice by most responsible organisations, are well publicised and in general use by the majority as a safety feature during casting. Granted, if you only overhead thump, you reduce the risks involved with not using one......but I have seen some very near misses on crowded venues and quite frankly wouldn't fish next to an angler who was swinging the lead without one!

Leaders are useful in other ways but safety has always been my reason for using one. As a club official, maybe its time to review your stance on leader use and learn to tie a leader knot, Limey1? If only to set the right example. :wink:

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:04 am

Thanks for the lecture Blakdog........ :lol:

Now how about answering the the last three questions ?

Limey

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:25 am

1, Are they really necessary......?
answer = If you are using a lead of around 2oz + you should be using s shockleader, the norm is 10lb per ounce, I would normally use a 5oz lead with 15lb main line and a 60lb shockleader. Mainly because I use power casts like off the ground and pendulum but with a 5oz lead you should at the very least be using 50lb shockleader :wink: . For safety reasons you must always use a shockleader.

2, What is the point of them.......?
answer = At the start of your cast where the pressure is most great the shockleader will take the full strain.

3, Wouldn't using 30lb line do just as well ?
answer = Yes you could use 30lb line all through but that would mean you would could only use a 3oz lead and casting a reel full of 30lb will hamper your casting distance.

3, What is the ideal length.......?

answer = Basically it depends on rod length etc but you need around 4 to 6 turns of shockleader around the reel. The length of the drop from the rod tip is down to what style of cast you are trying to achieve but a rough guide on a 12ft rod would be around 6ft.

4, What is the best way to tie them on.........?

answer = The basic knot for tying a shockleader is a Grinner knot for the mainline and for the shockleader a simple half hitch " grannie Knot"

Cheers
mrix

Guest

100 lines of "I must use a leader at all times" by teatime please, Mr Limey1! :lol: :lol:

3, Wouln't using 30lb line do just as well ?

Depends on the weight your using - general guidance is 10lb leader strength for each ounce you are casting, plus an extra 10lb on top for safety, ie 5 oz lead = 60lb leader. The extra 10lb is not so important if you are an 'average' caster and check your leader regularly during a fishing session.

3, What is the ideal length.......?

Not sure what the norm is...but I've always used 2.5 x the length of the rod you are using because it means when I bring that big cod or bass into the surf I am on the heavier leader line (rather than the 15lb main line) well in time to take the power of the backwash. You should always have at least half a dozen turns on the reel as you cast, otherwise you risk the leaderknot snapping before it leaves the reel.

4, What is the best way to tie them on.........?

You don't want much do you? :lol:
A picture paints a thousand words so take a look at one of these links....it will save me about two hours of typing.

http://www.worldseafishing.com/news/154/ARTICLE/1292/2006-06-18.html

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aquarium/diary/rigs/leader1.html

I expect to hear you've perfected these by your next fishing session....and don't forget the lines or you'll be on detention. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Regular Joined: Jan 13, 2005 Posts: 449 Location: Norfolk

Hi Limey. Leader should go up and down the rod ( from where the lead hangs on the cast)and six times round the reel. On mine it equates to about 22 foot.
Leader strength should be 10 times your weight. I always use 50lb breaking strain which is pretty common.
I would never have cause to use 30lb line so cannot really comment. For a start I think it would be pretty awful on a multiplier. Plus you would get more drag on it from the currents and it would be quite difficult to pull for a break I would imagine.
I would never dream of not using leader so cannot really empathise with others that never use one but just state my point of view. I have certainly seen heavy duty lines break like cotton on casting but this has always been with power type casts. Hope this helps. happy

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Tch, tch! I thought we'd finally put this one to bed after a mammoth session last time! I agree with everything everyone has said (except Limey)!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oops, tin hat time. INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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DuncBooth5 wrote:

Tch, tch! I thought we'd finally put this one to bed after a mammoth session last time! I agree with everything everyone has said (except Limey)!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oops, tin hat time. INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol:

Handbags at dawn!!!!

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Limey1 wrote:

I have never used a shockleader in my life and I have never hit anyone with a lead.

I thik its Limey1's way of seeing if anybody is paying attention. :lol:

Guest

Sorry, what was the question? :lol:

Guest

Dunno, I've forgotten now...something to do with getting a shock off your zimmer-frame I think.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:19 pm

Right......
Now you lot have finished taking the p**s....... Except the Boss MrB, cos he ain't like that, despite what DuncBooth5 says about him.

I have now got to go out and spend some of my meagre pension on bloody rope....
60lb line, whatever next?
Christ, I never used that when wreck fishing and pulling in monster conger eels.

It's all to do with this 'I'll sue you if I get half the chance' brigade.
Nuthin to do with fishing....

Now I also have the bloody problem of learning to tie a ' grinner ' & ' granny '.
The only grinner I know is DuncBooth5 when he's had a few....
And all the grannies I know are spoken for.........

Now slashley's advise was........
Quote; Leader strength should be 10 times your weight. Unquote;
Now I weigh 156 lb...... x 10 =....... we're back to the bloody thick rope again.

Back to the drawing board methinks.............. :wink:

Regular Joined: Jan 13, 2005 Posts: 449 Location: Norfolk

http://www.troutlet.com/UserMods/fishing-knots.asp
This is a link to some animated knots Limey. Might be of some use to ya. ( me too I hasten to add )....... happy

P.s washing line should suffice for ya leader. big grin

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:12 pm

slashley wrote:

http://www.troutlet.com/UserMods/fishing-knots.asp
This is a link to some animated knots Limey. Might be of some use to ya. ( me too I hasten to add )....... happy

P.s washing line should suffice for ya leader. big grin

Well if your talking about a rotary line, you should see some of these young puppies pretending they can cast.
I thought most of them had been having 'helicopter flying lessons'.

Yhanks for the link mate......... hope it's better than your ' weight advise '... :lol: :lol: :wink:

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:20 pm

Can't get away from the man........
He's beginning to behave like a leech.........
Went onto the 'knot tying' web site and the first thing you see.........

quote: Duncan Loop Knot (pictured above): This non-slip loop knot allows an angler to pull line into or away from the loop. The Duncan retains 95% of line strength.

A Duncan Loop Knot??????????????

What a f*****g liberty.... :lol: :lol: :lol: