multipliers

Member Joined: Jun 14, 2009 Posts: 37 Location: Colchester

Hi there everyone, not been on here for a while and im just after a bit of advice really.

I have got a couple of multiplier reels, nothing special both about the £30-£40 mark but every time i use them with a bit of power on the cast i get a birds nest, i have to drop the power to use them effectivly, which in turn drops my distance. would it be worth investing in a bit more expensive reel or just go back to fixed spool.

Any advice welcome

Steve

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:42 pm

This debate goes on for ever but I am happy to join in again. Decent modern fixed spools such as Daiwas can cast quite a long way. I can chuck mine well over 100 yds and that's not doing pendulum so I stick to FS (at my age) - I would hate to have to deal with birds nests at night too which is when I do half my fishing. On the other hand if you really need to emulate the tourney casters with pendulum style you had better find someone who will teach you but bear in mind that most fish are taken at 50 to 80 yds at night which is all that I am interested in.

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:44 pm

cheaper multis are a con, they dont have the same breaking power of the more expensive ones which means they dont work as well.
best advise is to try to borrow a good one from somebody to use for a few sessions and see how you get on before making up your mind. i started using a green abu mag elite shortly after i started fishing and i never had any real problems with it. i got a few nests and still do occasionaly but usually they only take minute to pick out.
this reel would be the perfect option to start out with, probably not the best reel on the market but its not far off it, its affordable 2nd hand and over clean ground is a pleasure to use. set the mags on full, pop in 2 break blocks and you should be fine.
you should get one mint for about £50 or well used but good condition for a bit less. best thing about them is people know how good they are and they will always sell. if you decide you dont like it you will offload it easy without loosing money

if you decide to go to fixed spool you might need to change rods and could work out expensive.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:47 am

Only one cheap multiplier had a smooth braking system and it was the Intrepid Seastreak (the breaking system worked of air pressure against vanes on the inside of the spool.

If you are lucky enough to find one they can be picked up for about £10 to £20 car boot sales. I have 4 of them but one will turn out to be used for spares.

They are ideal to learn with as they are difficult to birdy.
The other thing is they can be stripped down to change a spool if you have a spare spool by undoing one knurled screw by hand.

Cheers
Keith big grin

Regular Joined: Jul 26, 2009 Posts: 343 Location: Surrey

It's possible that the spool is slipping under your thumb as you make the cast, or you're briefly touching the spool shortly after release - both can lead to overruns. Quite possible as you say it only happens with hard casting.

Member Joined: Jun 14, 2009 Posts: 37 Location: Colchester

Thanks for all the advice, will look into all options. once again thanks. Just looked on e bay at the abu elite look quite reasonably priced. got a birthday coming up might look at getting one

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:10 pm

remember its smooth progressive casting that does the trick,start off slow,you have to put F/S style behind you and have to learn a completely new technique. try slowing your reel down.dont put so much power into your cast,distance will come with time after technique. dave docwra does a superb dvd,"surfcasting further" or something like that,i can PM the details of how to get it if you want,best tenner i ever spent

all the best

Andy

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:15 am

if you decide on an abu 6500 make sure you get an older green one. not made anymore and only available 2nd hand. their much better quality than the newer ones, cheaper and better to learn on.
another one to look at if you wanted a new reel is the newer akios 656ctm. havent seen a bad review of them yet. their meant to be a newer abu 6500, yesterdays quality with modern technology is their slogan big grin

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dont touch anything with a level wind tho, might seem a good idea but you will regret it after a few weeks.

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:42 am

I was under the impression that a conversion bar was available so as to dispense with the level wind at a later date. Oh well perhaps I'm wrong.
Cheers
keith big grin

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:07 pm

rabbi2 wrote:

I was under the impression that a cinverion bar was available so as to dispense with the level wind at a later date. Oh well perhaps I'm wrong.
Cheers
keith big grin

your right there keith but its more expence to buy and get fitted, most people get the hang of laying the line manually after a few sessions anyway so unless fishing from a boat, level winds are not needed.

Member Joined: Jun 14, 2009 Posts: 37 Location: Colchester

Andy,
Would apprciate the details or link, I do most of my fishing from clacton and i need all the distance i can get there. Advice taken on board as well from what i can gather practise is the key. will get out and practise more. Is therer a better technique for multipliers i just use the basic over the head or if im feeling brave OTG.

Will also take a look at the akios that redmouse suggested. once again Thanks for all the advice

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:58 am

Why do you need a brake?

Just learn to control your thumb and with practice you should not have any problems.

I use Penn Squidders without the fins and dont have any problems.

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:24 pm

Beretta28g wrote:

Why do you need a brake?

Just learn to control your thumb and with practice you should not have any problems.

I use Penn Squidders without the fins and dont have any problems.

When I started using multis I had a Mitchell 602AP - no brake except your thumb. I went from that to an Abu 6500 with centrifugal brakes and then to an Abu mag elite with centrifugal and magnetic braking. I also have a Sl30sh (with centrifugal brakes)
The modern reels are much, much easier to use and are much freer running than the old ones. The old reels spools ran on bushes whereas modern reels have ball races.

I still have the 602 but I only use it when I fancy a bit of masochism.

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:49 pm

If I remember rightly there was a a 602 then a 602AP the later being wider spool, then the 624 boat reel. They was a knack to then especialy with the spool being made of metal, they seemed to run on forever.
Cheers
keith big grin

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:03 pm

rabbi2 wrote:

If I remember rightly there was a a 602 then a 602AP the later being wider spool, then the 624 boat reel. They was a knack to then especialy with the spool being made of metal, they seemed to run on forever.
Cheers
keith big grin

The 602AP had a quick take apart feature where you could take the sideplate off by releasing 4 thumb screws and leaving the cage intact. The "normal" version (not AP) came to bits if you took the sideplate off. The wide spool version (in both normal and AP configurations) was the 600. They had fibreglass spools (and came with a spare) as standard but you could buy metal spools for boat fishing. Many people say that the fibreglass spools used to implode but I never had that problem and still have both my spools.

As you say, the 624 was a boat reel.